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ask questions about 1941 occupation stamp forgeries
#235 by springtwin
Sat Jun 18, 2011 5:58 am
Hello, Can anyone help to ID some stamps I bought a few years ago in Lithuania, there are no expertise marks and the sellers have a good reputation. I do not know If overprint is true or if the postmarks are cto. Any help would be appreciated as I would not like to sell on if they are forgeries, thank you, Springtwin.
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#236 by vitg
Sat Jun 18, 2011 9:52 pm
Hi Tom,

Although it is always very difficult to judge overprints just looking at the relatively low resolution photographs, I am quite convinced that these are forgeries. Very well made ones, but fakes never the less.

The simplest giveaway is Soviet cancellation (easily recognizable on 5kop, 10kop stamps and may be some others). The only occupation stamp known to have Soviet Union CTO cancels was Raseiniai. Even on Raseiniai issues a different cancel was used. The best stamp in the set is 2kop issue with Alsedziai cancel, but even this cancellation is forged. The fake cancellation on this stamp is of quite high quality.

Same holds for the overprints. Excellent quality forgeries. I don't have these in my collection of forgeries, thus would love to see higher resolution scans (if you can provide) ;)

In one of the other posts in this topic I have provided a scan of the true genuine overprint. Take a look.

I hope this helps. If you have further questions, Tom, please don't hesitate to ask.
#237 by springtwin
Mon Jun 20, 2011 11:48 am
Hi,Vitg, thanks for your quick reply, I am a little dissapointed but they were not expensive and were worth the gamble. I have a few more sets from this dealer plus enlargements , the may be fakes as well. thanks Tom.
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#238 by springtwin
Mon Jun 20, 2011 12:09 pm
Hi, Vitg. hereare some more photo,s.
CIMG3386.JPG
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CIMG3373.JPG
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CIMG3386.JPG
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Thanks , Tom.
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#239 by vitg
Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:37 pm
Tom,
Once again I am sorry to disappoint you but your Telsiai issue is all fakes as well.
Just like in the Alsedziai issue - USSR cancels is a quick giveaway.
But the overprints are indeed forged when examined closely.
Interestingly, the forger made a fake of an error overprint (see date 1941. IV. 26 on some stamps). Also 1 rub stamp overprint is crude and applied inverted.
Very nice set of forgeries. Good to have in a collection of fakes.

Here is a block with good overprints. Note the right upper stamp with the date error.
Best regards,
Vitaly
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#240 by springtwin
Wed Jun 22, 2011 9:29 am
Thanks again Vitaly for your prompt reply, Were these stamps made WW2 or are they later, I have more o/prints and would like to post later if thats o.k. Hope these fakes can help others, Thank you, Tom.
#241 by vitg
Wed Jun 22, 2011 11:50 pm
Tom,
There is little to no doubt that these forgeries were made at a much later time using much less expensive common Soviet cancelled stamps. If you examine these overprints under a microscope, you will most likely notice that the ink of the overprint goes over the earlier applied ink of the cancellation. ;)
Vitaly