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Darius-Girenas Overprinted Issue

PostPosted:Wed Jan 11, 2012 11:05 pm
by qatarstamps
I found one other set in a dealer's price list. What does anyone think of this? It has a garanteed stamp on the back (?)

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Re: Darius-Girenas Overprinted Issue

PostPosted:Thu Jan 12, 2012 8:30 am
by Audrius
Welcome to the forums qatarstamps.

Can you post a higher resolutions scan?

Re: Darius-Girenas Overprinted Issue

PostPosted:Thu Jan 12, 2012 12:40 pm
by vitg
Would like to see a higher resolution scan, but so far looks like a fairly crude forgery. Sorry to disappoint.

Re: Darius-Girenas Overprinted Issue

PostPosted:Thu Jan 12, 2012 8:23 pm
by qatarstamps
Here are the high resolution images:

http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/1081/73773995.jpg
http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/1290/dgbm.jpg

This is about the 5th set of fake DG issue that I have seen. This one is very misleading because it has the back stamped and this is up for sale by Loral Stamps. What do you think about this other issue?

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Re: Darius-Girenas Overprinted Issue

PostPosted:Fri Jan 13, 2012 1:03 pm
by vitg
Dear qatarstamps,
Leo Finik, the dealer behind Loral stamps, is very knowledgeable when it comes to Russian stamps. Not so much when it comes to Lithuanian material.
I have personally warned him previously that his set is a forgery, but he believes he can still sell it. It is unfortunate that he continues to offer it as an "expertized" authentic set.
Your other scan looks good to me.
Regards,
Vitaly Geyfman

Re: Darius-Girenas Overprinted Issue

PostPosted:Sat Jan 21, 2012 12:47 pm
by qatarstamps
It's a shame that Leo Finik knows the set is fake and is trying to sell it as an original. He probably will sell it at one time, because the guaranteed stamp in the back will give confidence to some collector.

I think there was a comment left by a member named Martin that the certificate should be with some wording in english(?) But whether it be english, german, etc, it needs to basically say 'real' or 'fake' in a very simple form. And then it should have the opinion if the printing is too small, or it's a different color ink, etc. The certificate needs to be less complicated.

Because if you look at Scott's catalog it shows #259 op at $400, it shows the c80 op at $300, it mentions the DG but it doesn't give a price on it. These issues are not only for Lithuania collectors, they sell too for airmail collectors and not many people have access to the Lithuania handbook, so it's a shame when you have established dealers knowingly selling these fakes.

I still think that maybe the LPS and APS should try to get together and maybe issue a special certificate or something to get a census of how many sets are out there and an easier way to get the set with a certificate. It would be troubling to spend so much money and possibly not being able to get it back, it would be bad for the Lithuania hobby in general.

Re: Darius-Girenas Overprinted Issue

PostPosted:Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:33 am
by Audrius
qatarstamps wrote:
I still think that maybe the LPS and APS should try to get together and maybe issue a special certificate or something to get a census of how many sets are out there and an easier way to get the set with a certificate. It would be troubling to spend so much money and possibly not being able to get it back, it would be bad for the Lithuania hobby in general.


I totally agree with you that LPS and or APS should do something about this issue.